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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Ella Mack</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>Ella Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I write as a hobby in my &#039;spare time&#039;, but spend a great deal of time constructing each book, so there&#039;s a bit of sweat and blood buried in the lines.  Stealing intellectual property is in some ways a compliment to the writer, although one that doesn&#039;t encourage authors to keep producing.  I feel that the punishment should fit the crime.  

I would not want to punish potential fans by taking away their Internet rights.  I&#039;m an Internet-only publisher and this would end any chance of their purchasing my books.  The proper punishment to me seems to be requiring them to pay the author for the book plus a small penalty fee.  In other words, make these bargain hunters risk paying more than they would have paid had they purchased the book honestly.  The big time distributors will risk paying more than wholesale for their entrepreneurial efforts.

Risk?  You can&#039;t catch all of them.  Benefit? You keep your fans and they help pay your overhead.  You also don&#039;t drive the bad guys underground or make whistle-blowers fear for their life.  I don&#039;t see how taking away their Internet rights helps me at all.

I&#039;m an unknown author who values word-of-mouth even from these &#039;criminals&#039;, so long as they like my books.  Of course, I&#039;m not expecting to pay the rent with my book sales either.  It&#039;s just another way to look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I write as a hobby in my &#8217;spare time&#8217;, but spend a great deal of time constructing each book, so there&#8217;s a bit of sweat and blood buried in the lines.  Stealing intellectual property is in some ways a compliment to the writer, although one that doesn&#8217;t encourage authors to keep producing.  I feel that the punishment should fit the crime.  </p>
<p>I would not want to punish potential fans by taking away their Internet rights.  I&#8217;m an Internet-only publisher and this would end any chance of their purchasing my books.  The proper punishment to me seems to be requiring them to pay the author for the book plus a small penalty fee.  In other words, make these bargain hunters risk paying more than they would have paid had they purchased the book honestly.  The big time distributors will risk paying more than wholesale for their entrepreneurial efforts.</p>
<p>Risk?  You can&#8217;t catch all of them.  Benefit? You keep your fans and they help pay your overhead.  You also don&#8217;t drive the bad guys underground or make whistle-blowers fear for their life.  I don&#8217;t see how taking away their Internet rights helps me at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an unknown author who values word-of-mouth even from these &#8216;criminals&#8217;, so long as they like my books.  Of course, I&#8217;m not expecting to pay the rent with my book sales either.  It&#8217;s just another way to look at it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Adele Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danuta is right in the article. I&#039;ll have to get some information from my own articles to show just how seriously filesharing affects authors and, unlike in the music business, authors only have the words on the page to get them an income.

The reaction against the Digital Economy Bill is mainly based around a false assumption that you can&#039;t stop filesharing, or that you can&#039;t protect yourself if you&#039;re running a public wifi hotspot where people can be downloading files illegally. You can. It also makes it seem as if you&#039;re at risk in your own home if people hack into your network or if members of your family download files illegally. You can protect your computer against all of this, it doesn&#039;t cost much, and you&#039;re only obliged to be able to show who downloaded the files. You do need to be able to keep that record and it&#039;s not hard with the right software.

You will need to be able to show who downloaded files and it&#039;s possible to get inexpensive security software, or to subscribe to a service that can handle this for you. The same kind of software can block malicious websites and filesharing websites. Public networks like libraries can do this and it&#039;s not even expensive to do it at home.

It is stealing and has an effect on authors and publishers that can&#039;t be ignored. Internet Service Providers can already disconnect your service if you illegally download files, and a documentary on TV already showed it happening. Public wifi hotspots have already had massive fines and their service disconnected because customers illegally downloaded files on their network. It isn&#039;t new. The penalties already exist.

The Digital Economy Bill is making it more efficient. I think the people raising fear about it are using tactics to make people think it&#039;s impossible to fit in with the regulations. It isn&#039;t. And the penalties already exist and are used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danuta is right in the article. I&#8217;ll have to get some information from my own articles to show just how seriously filesharing affects authors and, unlike in the music business, authors only have the words on the page to get them an income.</p>
<p>The reaction against the Digital Economy Bill is mainly based around a false assumption that you can&#8217;t stop filesharing, or that you can&#8217;t protect yourself if you&#8217;re running a public wifi hotspot where people can be downloading files illegally. You can. It also makes it seem as if you&#8217;re at risk in your own home if people hack into your network or if members of your family download files illegally. You can protect your computer against all of this, it doesn&#8217;t cost much, and you&#8217;re only obliged to be able to show who downloaded the files. You do need to be able to keep that record and it&#8217;s not hard with the right software.</p>
<p>You will need to be able to show who downloaded files and it&#8217;s possible to get inexpensive security software, or to subscribe to a service that can handle this for you. The same kind of software can block malicious websites and filesharing websites. Public networks like libraries can do this and it&#8217;s not even expensive to do it at home.</p>
<p>It is stealing and has an effect on authors and publishers that can&#8217;t be ignored. Internet Service Providers can already disconnect your service if you illegally download files, and a documentary on TV already showed it happening. Public wifi hotspots have already had massive fines and their service disconnected because customers illegally downloaded files on their network. It isn&#8217;t new. The penalties already exist.</p>
<p>The Digital Economy Bill is making it more efficient. I think the people raising fear about it are using tactics to make people think it&#8217;s impossible to fit in with the regulations. It isn&#8217;t. And the penalties already exist and are used.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by A Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>A Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this bill is saying that if one person in the house is illegally sharing files, then the whole house is shut down?  What if the parent (s) of said offender is wholly supported through a job that is dependent on internet access (say web design).  What happens then?  With schools increasing workloads for kids, internet research is all but required to complete schoolwork.

I also doubt the statistics provided by a company that is solely focused on making clients fear the &quot;boogeyman&quot;.  The music industry has completely mishandled their decline.  There are many reasons for it including people just not wanting to pay for a whole album that they only like a few songs.  This is why iTunes and others have done well.

What is needed is a new delivery system.  Deterrants are all well and good, but will not be the answer.  DRM, for example, has both increased piracy and decreased buying because tech savvy people refuse to have something they pay for tied to one distribution channel (ipod, computer, etc).  If they pay for it, they should be able to move it from PC to iPod and back if they feel like it.  Even Apple dropped DRM eventually.

This will play out the same way with eBooks as more eReaders come on the market.  Just like VHS dominated Beta-Max a standard file format will emerge and that the very least all eReaders will need to support it (and allow easy conversion from their own locked formats) in order to be successful.  Companies like Amazon with its Kindle are doing the same thing as what publishers are doing with the hardcover version of their book.  This is where their money is made.

Piracy will not go away though, with cases like Pirate Bay, may lessen to some degree.  The real way to combat it is with reasonable pricing.  The eBook market is still relatively new.  True, it has been around for at least ten years or so, but it is only now becoming widespread through better devices and more content availability.  The book publishing world will struggle with how to handle it, but hopefully it will learn the hard lessons from the music industry.  Punishing consumers is not the way to a healthy bottom-line.  They will revolt.  Besides, most pirates are people who would not have bought the product anyway.  The other issue with this is ownership.  If you cannot take the book with you from one device to another (an actual file to transport) than ownership in the traditional sense does not exist.  The fact that any company can remove a book that you &quot;purchased&quot; as Amazon has done at least once means that it is not owned like a physical copy is owned.

Providing easier, more cost effective ways to get books into the consumers&#039; hands will in the end deal the largest blow against piracy (at least the kind that actually affects sales).  Books are different fom music in that a book is the product whereas in music, the collection of songs is that industry&#039;s product.  A book is always singular, and (except for short story collections) cannot easily be separated into individual items.  I am sure that there will be publishers who try to sell chapters like iTunes does songs (some already do), but that will have very little impact on buying habits or piracy.  The majority of people will not buy a book one chapter at a time.

To get back to the higher-level subject of the discussion, this type of legislation is usually made by those who do not actually understand the ramifications of nor the underlying working of the industry they are making laws about.  They are listening to lobbyists (another barnacle / leech on the butt of society).  While something does need to be done to allow creators / artists / publishers to make a living, these heavy handed type of measures are the wrong way to go about it.

This is in the publishers hands to fix, not government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this bill is saying that if one person in the house is illegally sharing files, then the whole house is shut down?  What if the parent (s) of said offender is wholly supported through a job that is dependent on internet access (say web design).  What happens then?  With schools increasing workloads for kids, internet research is all but required to complete schoolwork.</p>
<p>I also doubt the statistics provided by a company that is solely focused on making clients fear the &#8220;boogeyman&#8221;.  The music industry has completely mishandled their decline.  There are many reasons for it including people just not wanting to pay for a whole album that they only like a few songs.  This is why iTunes and others have done well.</p>
<p>What is needed is a new delivery system.  Deterrants are all well and good, but will not be the answer.  DRM, for example, has both increased piracy and decreased buying because tech savvy people refuse to have something they pay for tied to one distribution channel (ipod, computer, etc).  If they pay for it, they should be able to move it from PC to iPod and back if they feel like it.  Even Apple dropped DRM eventually.</p>
<p>This will play out the same way with eBooks as more eReaders come on the market.  Just like VHS dominated Beta-Max a standard file format will emerge and that the very least all eReaders will need to support it (and allow easy conversion from their own locked formats) in order to be successful.  Companies like Amazon with its Kindle are doing the same thing as what publishers are doing with the hardcover version of their book.  This is where their money is made.</p>
<p>Piracy will not go away though, with cases like Pirate Bay, may lessen to some degree.  The real way to combat it is with reasonable pricing.  The eBook market is still relatively new.  True, it has been around for at least ten years or so, but it is only now becoming widespread through better devices and more content availability.  The book publishing world will struggle with how to handle it, but hopefully it will learn the hard lessons from the music industry.  Punishing consumers is not the way to a healthy bottom-line.  They will revolt.  Besides, most pirates are people who would not have bought the product anyway.  The other issue with this is ownership.  If you cannot take the book with you from one device to another (an actual file to transport) than ownership in the traditional sense does not exist.  The fact that any company can remove a book that you &#8220;purchased&#8221; as Amazon has done at least once means that it is not owned like a physical copy is owned.</p>
<p>Providing easier, more cost effective ways to get books into the consumers&#8217; hands will in the end deal the largest blow against piracy (at least the kind that actually affects sales).  Books are different fom music in that a book is the product whereas in music, the collection of songs is that industry&#8217;s product.  A book is always singular, and (except for short story collections) cannot easily be separated into individual items.  I am sure that there will be publishers who try to sell chapters like iTunes does songs (some already do), but that will have very little impact on buying habits or piracy.  The majority of people will not buy a book one chapter at a time.</p>
<p>To get back to the higher-level subject of the discussion, this type of legislation is usually made by those who do not actually understand the ramifications of nor the underlying working of the industry they are making laws about.  They are listening to lobbyists (another barnacle / leech on the butt of society).  While something does need to be done to allow creators / artists / publishers to make a living, these heavy handed type of measures are the wrong way to go about it.</p>
<p>This is in the publishers hands to fix, not government.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Helen Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Persistent offenders who steal from shops are banned from entering those shops. If I owned a shop and someone stole from me once, let alone three times, I would not want that person to have access to my shop to be able to steal from me again. Following that logic, it makes perfect sense to me that people who steal content on the Internet should not have access to repeat the offence. They are thieves; they should be punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Persistent offenders who steal from shops are banned from entering those shops. If I owned a shop and someone stole from me once, let alone three times, I would not want that person to have access to my shop to be able to steal from me again. Following that logic, it makes perfect sense to me that people who steal content on the Internet should not have access to repeat the offence. They are thieves; they should be punished.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Susan Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this article Danuta.  I agree with you and I agree with everything Rocky says. Three strikes and you&#039;re out seems more than fair to me.  Theft is theft is theft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this article Danuta.  I agree with you and I agree with everything Rocky says. Three strikes and you&#8217;re out seems more than fair to me.  Theft is theft is theft.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by penny halsall</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>penny halsall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a published author I support Danuta&#039;s pov. Illegal downloading of books is theft. Authors are paid a royalty of pennies per book sale and thus need to sell many  many copies of their boks in order to make a living. There are more published authors earning £5,000 and less pa from their writing than there are authors who earn over £100,000. Tbe publishing industry employs people - ordinary people who are dependent on the wage they earn from book sales - warehousemen, secretaries, printers, distributors. book strore workers, packers at Amazon etc.
I can appreciate that to those who do not know how the publishing industry works and who see articles about rich authors getting large advances it might seem &#039;okay&#039; to read their books for free and to enable others to do so, but by doing this they are cutting off the money that spreads down the chain to help new authors. Ultimately if piracy continues the only people who will be able to afford to write are those with a separate income - not ordinary people like then and me. Is that really what they want? I dont think so. A good workman - or woman - is worthy of their hire - if you want to read a book then borrow it for free fromthe library or buy, don&#039;t steal the words - and the food - out of the mouths lf those who work in our industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a published author I support Danuta&#8217;s pov. Illegal downloading of books is theft. Authors are paid a royalty of pennies per book sale and thus need to sell many  many copies of their boks in order to make a living. There are more published authors earning £5,000 and less pa from their writing than there are authors who earn over £100,000. Tbe publishing industry employs people &#8211; ordinary people who are dependent on the wage they earn from book sales &#8211; warehousemen, secretaries, printers, distributors. book strore workers, packers at Amazon etc.<br />
I can appreciate that to those who do not know how the publishing industry works and who see articles about rich authors getting large advances it might seem &#8216;okay&#8217; to read their books for free and to enable others to do so, but by doing this they are cutting off the money that spreads down the chain to help new authors. Ultimately if piracy continues the only people who will be able to afford to write are those with a separate income &#8211; not ordinary people like then and me. Is that really what they want? I dont think so. A good workman &#8211; or woman &#8211; is worthy of their hire &#8211; if you want to read a book then borrow it for free fromthe library or buy, don&#8217;t steal the words &#8211; and the food &#8211; out of the mouths lf those who work in our industry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one, Richard.  We should give up ownership of our property, so you won&#039;t be guilty of stealing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one, Richard.  We should give up ownership of our property, so you won&#8217;t be guilty of stealing it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visiting a pirate site this week where my latest book was being offered for download free, there was a place where I could complain about someone spamming the site, or about indecency in any material.  Nowhere could I complain that my book was being stolen by everyone who downloaded it.   Worse, I&#039;m somehow the bad guy for making a fuss by people who would never consider stealing a physical book from a bookstore or library.  

My question is this.  Do these people who believe that &quot;art should be free&quot; work for free themselves?  Do they turn up at the office every day and just shrug when there&#039;s no money in the bank to pay them because everything they made was stolen?  How do they pay their bills.  Is what they do more valuable than the writer, the muscian, the artist whose work they want to enjoy, but don&#039;t want to pay for?  Try getting away with that argument at the supermarket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visiting a pirate site this week where my latest book was being offered for download free, there was a place where I could complain about someone spamming the site, or about indecency in any material.  Nowhere could I complain that my book was being stolen by everyone who downloaded it.   Worse, I&#8217;m somehow the bad guy for making a fuss by people who would never consider stealing a physical book from a bookstore or library.  </p>
<p>My question is this.  Do these people who believe that &#8220;art should be free&#8221; work for free themselves?  Do they turn up at the office every day and just shrug when there&#8217;s no money in the bank to pay them because everything they made was stolen?  How do they pay their bills.  Is what they do more valuable than the writer, the muscian, the artist whose work they want to enjoy, but don&#8217;t want to pay for?  Try getting away with that argument at the supermarket.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet piracy is plain old fashion stealing.
 
One wonders how many of these modern, Internet using, thieving cow-persons would think it acceptable for the owners of the stolen property to send their gang of rednecks around to bash the thief senseless, or string them up, like everyone else did in the ‘good old’ original wild-west. 

I’m pleased another country is opting to address Internet piracy with a, responsible, and workable solution to address a very serious, International, threat on civilised social values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet piracy is plain old fashion stealing.</p>
<p>One wonders how many of these modern, Internet using, thieving cow-persons would think it acceptable for the owners of the stolen property to send their gang of rednecks around to bash the thief senseless, or string them up, like everyone else did in the ‘good old’ original wild-west. </p>
<p>I’m pleased another country is opting to address Internet piracy with a, responsible, and workable solution to address a very serious, International, threat on civilised social values.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the Digital Economy Bill fails, we&#8217;ll all pay by Anna Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://www.publishingtalk.eu/blog/digital/if-the-digital-economy-bill-fails-well-all-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree absolutely with Danuta and think it&#039;s a well-expressed article. 

I&#039;m horrified that so many people take lightly the stealing going on via such piracy, whether of music or books. If the thieves lose their Internet privileges, too bad. Me, I&#039;d lock them up in prison if they persisted after being warned. I think they&#039;d be getting off lightly just losing access to the Internet.

I earn a living as an author because I work ten-hour days six days a week and therefore produce three books a year. I don&#039;t see why I should be expected to give away the results of that extremely hard work for nothing. 

I&#039;m not up at the top of the bestsellers with JK Rowling (good luck to her) and am not rich. I need the money I earn to live on. Surprise, surprise - creative people need to eat, pay mortgages and cover all the other daily expenses. 

The downloaders are fooling themselves if they think they&#039;re hurting big companies - the ones they&#039;re hurting most are hard-working authors like me.

Keep on speaking out, Danuta!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree absolutely with Danuta and think it&#8217;s a well-expressed article. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m horrified that so many people take lightly the stealing going on via such piracy, whether of music or books. If the thieves lose their Internet privileges, too bad. Me, I&#8217;d lock them up in prison if they persisted after being warned. I think they&#8217;d be getting off lightly just losing access to the Internet.</p>
<p>I earn a living as an author because I work ten-hour days six days a week and therefore produce three books a year. I don&#8217;t see why I should be expected to give away the results of that extremely hard work for nothing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not up at the top of the bestsellers with JK Rowling (good luck to her) and am not rich. I need the money I earn to live on. Surprise, surprise &#8211; creative people need to eat, pay mortgages and cover all the other daily expenses. </p>
<p>The downloaders are fooling themselves if they think they&#8217;re hurting big companies &#8211; the ones they&#8217;re hurting most are hard-working authors like me.</p>
<p>Keep on speaking out, Danuta!</p>
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